Hans Heinrich Dörner ¹

   Another name for Hans was Hans Heinrich Darner.²

  General Notes:

Listed in the registry of Reformed Church in Ilbesheim bei Landau as the "seventeenth century forefather of subsequent Dorners". Baptized, confirmed, married and buried at Ilbesheim by its pastor (Source: Kiddo Book). Hans and his wife Elisabetha had 3 daughters and 2 sons. The one that is listed in Nancy Kiddo's book on the Darner family is Johannes.
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Source: FROM THE ANCESTRAL FILE OF CHARLES WARREN LANZ (http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lanzcw&id=I413)

Over the years many inquires to the local archives for the City of Zweibrucken, Germany have produced nothing. Can it be Nicklaus was not from the City of Zweibrucken but the Duchy of Zweibrucken? It is important that for centuries, Germany was divided into dozens of duchies or little kingdoms. Traveling from one duchy to the next was equivalent to traveling to a foreign country. Not Until the later part of the 19th century, under Otto Von Bismark was Germany united. In 1750, the City of Zweibrucken was capitol of Ducky of Zweibrucken. Today, their local archive contains information for the City of Zweibrucken only.

The Duchy of Zweibrucken was located in an area of Germany one know as Pfalz. Most all of the civil and religious records for this region are located at an archive in the town of Speyer, south of Mannheim. To do research in Germany, we must know the specific town the individual in question is from. By now it was clear, the City, Zweibrucken was not it. "The Dorner's of Ilbesheim Near Landau", Kurt Stock. "In 1584 there appeared 7 Derner in the church visitation records, Ilbesheim in the then Duchy of Zweibrucken, main office at Neukastel. Significant is not only their crushing dominance in circles of censors, jurors, Village mayors, church jurors and alms masters of the 16th century, but also the continuing engagement of other generations for public (service): 8 Dorners were teachers, of these a father, 3 sons and 1 grandson. Frederick Adam Dorner, who last taught in Pirmasens, was one of the 1848's who, being condemned to death, left his homeland, to this tribe also belongs Adolf Dorner, a painter, who passed away in 1964. Earlier Dr Gustav Adolf Dorner passed away, who practiced in Steinweller. Since the church book entries (began) the Dorners belonged to the Reformed Church. The Ilbesheim records began around 1722. The investigation of the timely and somewhat older documents has continued. It has been ascertained that Hans Henrick Dorner, born in the first half of the 17th century, was the (oldest know) ancestor of the here mentioned Dorners. This example may also show how high the population loss was, caused by the 30 Years War. The potential of 7 grown name carriers (adult male), reduced to one for the time after the war. This has been proven by a letter and 4 records. The church visitation records name only the official ones (heads of family). Genealogical material is published up to about 1800 on 100 Dorner families (nearly 400 persons), which over the generations have made their domicile mainly in Ilbesheim and Queichamback. Not considering one line in Zeisken, which had its origin in Ilbesheim. The ancestor from still another Dorner family line is a Gleisweller Lutheran, whose children, and therefore also their descendants, through his (marriage) in Edenkoben, became Catholics." Nicklaus Fast of Gocklingen, Germany, 1994, Robert Fast, pg 8, 9.

American Genealogical Magazine, "The Dutchman". This article, "Pennsylvania Dutch Pioneers", pg 38, Vol. 7, 1956, states that Marie Catherine Doerner, wife, of Nicklaus Fass, and her brother Jacob Doerner were from Ilbesheim near Landau, Germany, once known as Pfalz or Palatinate, near France. Ilbesheim is and always has been a small and very old German Village and has been part of the Duchy of Zweibrucken since at least the 13th century.

Darner and Tarrer and Dorreb von Hanf are the same, 1340 found as Terrer in Riedenbei Bregenz (a town) according to archives VA, pg 40. In 1465 Konrad Darner (Gastmeister) occupant, in Reichenback (in Kreis Freudenstadt) Hotel or restaurant owner.

Mrs John T. Victor, ltr, 24 Jul 1981 states: "Have received set (12) pictures of present day Gocklingen and Ilbesheim, Germany from Robert G. Fast. Göcklingen was home base for the Fast line with Dorner line Ilbesheim.

Name variations: Darner, Doerner, Derner, Derrner, Dorner, Danner, Dorrner, Dernir, Ternor, Tanner.

Hans married Elizabetha about 1653 in Germany. (Elizabetha was born about 1635 in Germany,³ died after 1672 in Germany ³ and was buried in Germany ³.)